No Holiday Play this year at Mansfield Elementary
Holiday play moved this year in response to complaints.
The Mansfield elementary holiday play will not be playing this year after complaints were lodged against the religious nature of some of the songs.
Principal Teresa Murphy said that about half a dozen residents complained last year and that the play will instead occur later and will have a Martin Luther King Day theme.
Mansfield school committee chair Michael Trowbridge said that it’s a shame and he loved the plays every year, and commented that six complaints usually don’t phase him.
“I get more than that every day,” he said.
Murphy said this may not be permanent.
“That’s not to say it won’t come back next year,” she said.
lisa
6:33 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I cannot believe that people/parents would complain about a tradition! Everything these days has to be politically correct, if not then everyone complains, what is this world coming to when children cannot put on a Christmas play?!
GregoryRobertSamuels
3:25 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Was it a Christmas play or a Christian play?
LL
3:29 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
So much bickering. "Much a do about Nothing" If you want to put on a play, then do it on your front lawn. If you go to a public school; you miss out on religion. If you want to live in the United States you need follow the law. Where is this complaining getting you? Free speech. Just be thankful you can talk like this, because someday you will be banned from the Internet and will not be able to voice your thoughts without being accused of talking against the government. You all best get on with your lives and support your friends and family because you could loose it in a split second. I'm going to worship God while I still can.
janine rose
6:50 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
And we wonder why our children cannot learn tolerance, it begins at home!
GregoryRobertSamuels
3:56 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
What does that have to do with the issue at hand?
Whiners go home
1:30 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
In the past people of all faiths & no faith at all got along together & respected each others traditions. It doesn't mean they subscribed to another's faith--it just means they respect each other & the right to celebrate their traditions then somebody along & pushed Baby Jesus out of His manger. ( Christmas IS a religious holiday. millions of people have always celebrated Christmas they are not wrong. Merry Christmas- don't be afraid or ashamed to say it out loud. Jesus deserves to be honored- if you don't like it if you don't like the music, the beautiful nativities or the love of The Holy Family & the Lights- these inspire rational people to love one another. Jesus is love.
If you are offended by this innocent concert- Just don't participate. if "silent night" threatens you-stay away. Jesus I love You. Mansfield if You love Jesus- stand up to these religion haters & defend Him. He would defend You . He did - 2000 years ago. Merry Christ mas.
BH
7:22 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Would you two mind if they performed a traditional Muslim play and just a Muslim play?
GS
11:36 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
muslim plays are not traditional here in the USA!!!!!
Mary Campisano
12:30 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I'm going answer your question and reiterate my earlier point that the "Holiday" Play has historically acknowledged Hannukah (and other religions/practices). Having said that, I will answer your question with a yes since you indicate that you are asking if I would mind "just a Muslim play". I think I'm safe in saying that the majority of people in our town embrace diversity. Nothing is perfect. And I do suggest that we might want to begin to address this at the School Committee level to assure this issue receives the attention it deserves. Amen, and Merry Christmas!
Ken Pittman
12:50 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
If there are Muslim taxpayers who have kids in school why should they not have equal access to the school theater. No Muslims are being denied a thing and you know that.
ED
8:12 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I wouldn't mind at all. There are plenty of Muslims living here in America that never hurt anyone. We're supposed to teach our kids that Christianity is good and everything else is evil? Give me a break.
What about all the band directors and play directors, working hard to prepare their kids to play challenging music and acts. You just slapped them in the face, and told them to stop teaching your kids, just because you don't like Muslims.
Stop trying to teach our kids to be racist
ED
8:17 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I wouldn't mind at all. I'm from Brockton, and we actually take interest in one another's beliefs, not just our own.
It's called not being racist.
HJ
6:48 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Do I get a footbath befoe I enter the auditorium?
Donna Harrington
7:24 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
It really is too bad that " a few complaints" shuts down what has been a tradition... as previous comments reflect ti truly is a shame.
Merry Christmas everyone,
Donna
BH
7:31 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Why do people take it as complaints and not a preference for equal representation. The demographic of this country is vastly changing and very quickly, based on the fundamental root of the ideals this country was but upon. You can either accept diversity and understand what it involves or continue to want and believe that only you and your beliefs and traditions are just and should be the only ones celebrated.
Would you not speak up if you moved to a foreign country and a community of other Christians wanted Christmas represented in the schools?
ED
8:15 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
No I wouldn't, because it's not my place to tell someone else what their culture is supposed to be. If someone wants to celebrate Hanukah or Kwanzaa or a Muslim holiday, they are obligated as human beings, to do what they want.
This is why Brockton will always have more fortitude than weak schools like Mansfield. Absolutely no tolerance for diversity.
Chris
7:59 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Spot on Janine!
Krissy
8:11 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
So what about the people who are now complaining that not having the play is ridiculous?? Why aren't our voices heard? If you are offended by the songs in they play, don't attend the play, and have your child removed from the play! I think this is absurd! I don't care what religion you are, a song is not going against what you believe in, it's a song. It's kids joining together to sing about peace and love really. Bad move completely! Maybe next year you can talk with St. Mary's and have the play at that school!!
BH
8:22 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Well that's the ultimate show of disrespect and ignorance. If you don't like our religious Christmas play in a state taxpayer funded school then just go away. There continues to be a lack of seperation of church and state. Religion creeped its way in when it never should have. It's lazy and close minded to just state, accept my religious beliefs and traditions in an environment where they don't belong in the first place or go home.
Tracy Sluetz
8:58 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Separation of church and state? It ONLY means that the state or government cannot tell you or force you to practice a religion or any religion. We have the ability though to practice our chosen religion freely.
Ken Pittman
9:29 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
BH remains anonymous for good reason. The separation from church and state which you cannot even spell, would be violated if other religious celebrations were denied. Prove that and you'd have a point and in fact I'd agree with you. Instead you hide your identity and show a profound lack of understanding of the law.
Joan
11:48 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I think the whole thing is ridiculous. We live in a democracy and things should not be decided by a few for all. For me I don't have any problem with my children learning about ANY religion or singing a song from another culture exposure to other traditions is a good thing. Because my child sings a song doesn't change who they are it just exposes them to different cultures and YES Christmas is part of our culture and has been for many, many years. Forget political correctness how about EMBRACING DIVERSITY. Yes we have a diverse community so lets embrace it and not try and ignore it because ignorance is NOT bliss it's just ignorant. I think if the play is in need of change then so be it let's work to change it and ADD to it some other music to embrace other cultures. In my opinion not letting the play continue is just the easy way out I think the play shouls go on as usual and then the change if so decided should be instituted for next year. Children love to perform and they love tradition so to take that away for a few is unfair to all. I also think that there is a missunderstanding as to who has pulled the play. As I understand it Mrs. Murphy is the one who pulled the play not the school comittee. I also believe that you should include your name in what you stand for.
GregoryRobertSamuels
3:59 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion...you're not allowed to use government facilities or monies on anything for any religion.
ED
8:19 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Anyone who agreed to have the plays and concerts cancelled are pretty racist.
We can't have traditions anymore, just because you don't like that there's Jewish words in some of the songs.
Racism. Mansfield is full of racists.
GregoryRobertSamuels
1:52 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
@Ed- Maybe you will explain to everyone how following the Constitution of the United States is racist...you don't sound racist you sound un-American or just uninformed as to the founding of our nation.
Whiners go home
1:55 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sadly- you don't even know what separation of Church & State means. Our forefathers came to this country to escape British rule over their religion. Their purpose was to keep the two separate because they were being bullied. Separation of Church & State states that The Government MAY NOT tell the Church what it may do. Religions are their own entity -not a slave to the government's whims or laws. Your ignorance of what Church & State means -shows you are a liberal grasping for straws because you are an anti-religious bigot. and like many of your kind- you hide behind something you don't even understand. If you hate Christians why don't you just come out & say it-instead of throwing a term around that you obviously don't know what it really means? Do some research before you show your ignorance. and May the Baby Jesus show you mercy for turning your back on Him- an innocent Baby who saved your soul by His suffering & death. Millions of people love & honor Him-The Prince of Peace every year at Christmas. Are you threatened by the beauty or the joy of Christmas carols?
Lynn M
8:47 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I'm sorry if a holiday program offends you but if you can't tolerate it, too darn bad. STAY HOME - KEEP YOUR CHILD HOME. Period. I'm not catholic or Muslin or Buddhist but I would never expect these institutions to change for me. I think too many parents today just need to STAY OUT OF THEIR CHILDRENS LIVES. What about majority rules? That is the way of life or don't you get it? Not every wins every game - there are winners and losers in every aspect of life - I think the complainers need a good dose of reality or their children will have such a struggle in life with the disappointments that are inevitable.
Ricky W Kracker a.k.a. Diggy Swagga
10:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
There are so many things wrong with your logic my brain hurts. Are you really advocating majority rule? If this country was based on that, you, as a woman, wouldn't even be able to vote. You idiot.
Ken Pittman
9:04 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
The Mansfield School Committee are spineless cowards. Stand up to these attention addicted secular INTOLERANT liberals!!!
Whiners go home
2:17 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ken you said it. Where is Mansfield's backbone? Jesus (who these whiners are so offended by) said "Love One Another- as I have loved You." Those who hate Him or the religion He founded- are not only racist-they are people who twist religion into being an evil instead of what it is- a way to praise God, & learn how to be a better person. Nobody is perfect but at least people who are genuinely religious- are trying. What are the haters doing to spread love & to work on themselves? They are pretty cocky & not at all interested in anyone else's tradition-so why is anyone surprised at their bigotry? But why should you let a few barking dogs ruin your Christmas, Kwanzaa, Hannukah or whatever you celebrate? And mansfield- your taxes pay that principal. She works for you- you don't work for her- she has no right to cancel your child's Christmas concert on her own. Who does she think she is- just because a few people are scared of some Christmas carols & other seasonal music. i say all religious groups in Mansfield - get off your duffs & meet in the center of town & sing from your traditional celebrations from the top of your lungs! Let everyone know you are celebrating and supporting each others right to do so..Mansfield belongs to the people- not a few crabby losers who hate a joyful celebration. Go back to your hole in the ground you weasels and leave the happy people alone. One day you will look in the mirror & see how ugly your bigotry looks on your face. Botox won't fix it.
Kitchen Sink TV
9:10 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Anyone with information or the names of the six people that complained about the content of the Robinson School Christmas play resulting in its cancellation please email me at kitchensinktv@gmail.com
Mary Campisano
9:13 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
So we are changing the rules for a few and then hear that it's because 'we' are intolerant? We've truly lost our way. This decision opens the door for more intolerance. Does anyone think that moving this to become a Martin Luther King themed play isn't going to build resentment rather than embrace diversity? Why not do two plays? I liken this move to what's happened in RI and Boston: calling the Christmas Tree a Holiday Tree, but continuing to call the Menorah a Menorah. HUH? We live in a country that promotes religious freedom and from my experience these Christmas Plays have adapted and acknowledged other religions (Kwanza, Hannukah) and it's wonderful. With this decision, the reverse has happened. It's sad to think of the message it sends to our children. God Bless us Everyone! Merry Christmas!
Tina Silverio
4:50 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Well said. Can't really put it better than that.
Alexandra Piccirilli
6:17 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I think that our children are learning to not have any religion at all - it is very sad. Did anyone consider the children who are now being told that there will be no Christmas play? I am sure they worked hard.
Ken Pittman
9:24 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
"It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, PUBLICLY, and at STATED SEASONS to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship." Article II Massachusetts State Constitution
Someone please ask the school committee to show where the public peace is disturbed or where someone is obstructed from their own practice!
Tina Silverio
2:22 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I'll tell you where it's being disturbed, it's in the "in-box" where those complaints were filed. There's your "disturbing of the peace".
Jonathan Lucier
5:21 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
AMEN!!!!
Debbie Barrows
9:31 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Ok its a draw!! We have more for it than the 6 against, On with the PLAY!!!
Merry Christmas one and all! :)
John Lawson
10:09 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I am so sick and tired of this " politically correct " crap! People need to GROW UP. There is no peace when you disagree with what others believe. I don't believe in the writings of the Koran but I will not disrespect those who do, nor will i stop my children from knowing what it is, so why disrespect me and my beleifs? I will answer that with it is because those 6 to 12 individuals are in fact the ignorant ones and the schools are just encouraging ignorance by giving in, rather than teaching tolerance and acceptance.
Linda Karter
11:35 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Peace on earth. Goodwill to all men. Send an email to the school committe if you do not agree with this decision. Merry Christmas to all.
BRECG
12:29 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I once read "We are a country built on immigration.", and over the years with that things have changed. A lot has happened in the world since my grade school days here in Mansfield that has left people bitter against other nationalities, other religious beliefs ect.. Such a shame our kids today cannot learn to accept one another despite differences in culture, religion and opinions. I do not agree with stopping this tradition, at least something will be planned for later in the year. I am sure lots of people will complain about that as well.. but if it is a temporary change, and next year something can reconvene that seems less religious to those who are feeling left out, or do not want their kids to learn about others cultures and traditions, then get a group together and come up with something more fitting. Being more open and understanding to other cultures holidays has already started, when I was in grade school we did not get all the Jewish holidays off.. Times are changing, and if we all respected each other and learned a little more, maybe we could reside together without so much bitterness.. instead of blasting the issues and going after one culture or another, why not try coming up with a solution that will make everyone more satisfied, incorporate other things.. maybe if there was not so much ignorance about other ways we would be able to, but this full out blasting bitterness teaches nothing worth being proud of.
JJax
12:29 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Again, teaching the WRONG life-lesson! You don't cancel something when people complain...their complaining doesn't make them right...complaining is the grown-up word for whining. Lets use the Robinson rule... was this play a Double D? (Dangerous or Destructive)
If you don't like something that's going on in the school put on your big boy/girl pants and get involved. It is a holiday play...if you have a holiday you want represented, that is valid ground for a discussion. Canceling it solves nothing.
Oh, and go look up what separation of church and state ACTUALLY means. It's freed of OF religion...not FROM - and I don't practice any religion at all. My argument is based in my valuing freedom.
So disappointing that this is their plan of action. People complain about things all the time. I guarantee more people are complaining about it being canceling than the six who made it an issue it in the first place and NONE of the grown ups involved put the kids first when they made this decision.
George Marino
12:19 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Agreed - I would have much more respect for the complainers if they'd simply organize a play of their own that they could share with everybody. Intolerance breeds intolerance.
Ben Weiser
12:37 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Last year, about 6 people complained about religious songs in the school play. Then SOMEONE decided to cancel the whole friggin thing. Why are we mad at "PC liberals" about this? If the school really wanted to have something for christmas, they could have called the ACLU and asked "how do we throw a christmas show without getting sued?" Who cancels the whole show? and then claims that doing a MLK themed show is actually a one-to-one substitute? its like they're TRYING to make it into a fox news war on christmas story. I highly doubt any of the 6 who complained actually asked for the entire show to be cancelled and replaced with a MLK show.
BH
12:47 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Are you even serious Ken? You're asking for names from people now? And grandstanding about YOUR beliefs to attack anothers? That all sounds very mature. I'm surprised they let that comment be posted, to me it even sounds a little threatening.
You've also seemed to kinda gloss over the first amenent and go right for the one that backs up your argument.
"All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness"
If you can defend tour beliefs why can't somebody stand up for theirs? God has no place in any public school, not your god not any religions god. There are plenty of privately funded schools and programs where any religious theory may be taught. You also seem to think the Constitution is a dead document with no basis for interpretation when in reality I bet 99% of the public have lived or experienced federal or state interpretations of laws over the years. It's easy to pluck any old passage from any document or law and attempt to apply it to your beliefs, what's ultimately difficult for most people is to have any understanding or tolerance for anybody different from themselves.
Ken Pittman
12:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Awww. Are you a wittle' victim now BS..I mean BH? I said I'm not surprised that you hide in anonymity. Your spelling and reading comprehension leave me lacking confidence you'll come up with a valid point anytime soon.
Ken Pittman
12:55 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Actually its "inalienable" there Einstein. You just quoted the Declaration of Independence which stated to the world that men, governments, thrones etc do not give us our liberty but the Almighty in Heaven does. You are so ignorant. I can cure ignorance, just not stupidity. you are not guilty of ignorance until you learn but choosing stupidity?
Terry
3:25 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Actually, the Declaration of Independence reads "unalienable rights", not "inalienable rights". The difference is distinct and interesting.
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/legitimate_government/understanding_unalienable_rights_20090805368/
Also, "it's" is a contraction of the words "it is" while "its" indicates possession of something.
Bill Claff
4:04 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
"You also seem to think the Constitution is a dead document with no basis for interpretation when in reality I bet 99% of the public have lived or experienced federal or state interpretations of laws over the years"
Bush and Obama killed what was left of that document already.
Ken Pittman
6:13 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Actually Terry,the final version of the Declaration uses the word "unalienable." Some earlier drafts used the word "inalienable," which is the term our modern dictionaries prefer. The two words mean precisely the same thing.
BH
12:50 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Oh and also what would you do if you had my name? Post it for all to see? Attempt to humiliate me? It's sad you cannot discuss your opinions or hear others without demanding names of others who may be different than yourself. This is an online discussion not an official town meeting.
Ken Pittman
6:14 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Your words humliate you. Your preference for anonymity shows guilt or at least a security blanket to say things you would not say to one in person.
Helen T.
12:57 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
What is wrong with people??? So a few idiotic people have way tooo much free time on their hands...Maybe they should be worried about bigger problems like the Fiscal Cliff. If the music in the school's play bothers you then DON"T GO!!! Christmas has been around a long time and will continue to be...so DEAL with it!!!
Tina Silverio
2:11 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
here, hear.
ME
2:22 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
But why should it matter when it is held then? It is music for music sake, no? You make a valid point. With so much else going on in the world, why should a change in a concert date have this reaction. The kids are going to sing beautiful music. This can happen any time of year, no?
Mary Campisano
1:00 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Can we try to elevate this discussion to what's germain (sp?) and stop with the personalization and verbal attacks? We are intelligent and need to remember what the focus is please. Thank you.
BH
1:06 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Ken its sad if you're a grown man and acting so incredibly immature, I feel sorry for you.
Ken Pittman
6:19 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
BH allow me to use the words of the great Empedocles who said, "I know you are but what am I?"
Ben Weiser
1:06 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
This decisions was screwed up, and this article is screwed up. "oh there's no xmas this year because of THOOOOOSE people. we're just gonna do a MLK show because of THOOOOOOSE people". Really? You guys are buying this crap?? Its not that complicated- don't use taxpayer money to sing about jesus and god. You want green and red decorations and reindeer and santa and all that? Great! Thats just tradition not religion. But "Jesus Christ, our Saviour, Was born upon this day. To save us all from Satan's pow'r" is definitely religion. Its not constitutional to spend tax money promoting religion. If you want your kids to hear songs about jesus god and satan, go to a church.
George Marino
12:25 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Ben - instead of no holiday shows, why not two (or more) holiday shows? Is it really that bad of an idea that a community be brought together to appreciate the spirit of being kind to one another? What better way than for everybody to be afforded the opportunity to express their ways/cultures by sharing something grander in scale instead of just sharing their complaints about others' practices.
JJax
1:22 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
You don't have a right to place your beliefs higher than others - as stated in your earlier quote, we are all equal. Since no one is forcing you or your family to participate in the play your rights are not being infringed upon. Those who believed the play should be canceled, however, have now imposed their beliefs upon others and, thus, infringed upon the rights of hundreds of people.The decision has eliminated the option to not participate AND the option to participate.
Second, It is absolutely incorrect that God has no place in public schools. Public schools can't FORCE religion upon you. God and Religion are not mutually exclusive terms. Eliminating God from education is impossible simple because human culture and history are far too wrapped up in religion to eliminate it from education. Just to name a few, American History, World History, Sociology, Art History, Music History, Literature, Theology, Economics...and so on. ALL have been influenced by religion or God.
BH
1:26 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Jjax I agree with some of the things you have to say, however I do see the difference between studies that gods or religions may have influenced and celebrating specific religions exclusively.
JJax
1:29 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I would like to amend the last sentence in my previous post... " influenced by religion or God"... I can't comment on God's involvement or lack of in the prior mentioned topics in education...he/she and I don't actually discuss such things. I should have left it at religion and/or belief in (a) God(s). - there...I think that's better.
Linda Karter
2:06 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I have been informed that the principals were afraid of a law suit. I think that's a threat? Freedom?
Tina Silverio
2:18 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I would rather pour my tax money into a lawsuit defending against crap like this than let this slide.
ME
2:09 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
JJ did not cancel a holiday play! They have never had a holiday "play". It is a choral concert and instead of being held during the craziness of December when everyone is so busy it is being held in January around Martin Luther King Jr. Day. What a wonderful new tradition to have a concert about peace, friendship, making the world a better place...
Tina Silverio
2:21 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
You know what, I could go along with that *completely* if it were the reason for all this. As i understand it, it's not. Trying to decorate discrimination and intolerance with a nice "oh but what a wonderful new fresh opportunity we have now to make the world a better place!" is like being told to drink your kool-aid.
JJax
2:27 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
"What a wonderful new tradition to have a concert about peace, friendship, making the world a better place..." ME
Peace and friendship is pretty much what any holiday concert IS about - for that matter, if kids are involved, it's pretty much what ANY concert is about. Also, to your other point, the "craziness of December," is inarguable a valid argument for holding a January concert, however, it definitely has nothing to do with why the concert was moved.
Ken Pittman
6:08 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
What hogwash. So let's show passive aggressive intolerance for the taxpaying families of Mansfield who happen to celebrate Christmas. The "tolerance" is missing here. It's funny how the ambassadors for "Diversity" are always the ones marching against Christianity. Tolerance ends when someone disagrees with these liberal kooks. I will show the level of respect, dignity and tolerance that is shown to me.
ESVaughn
10:37 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
ESVAUGHN
Thank you for clarifying - it was a choral concert. Secondly, I remember very well that there were complaints about the 'religious' music in the program. However, as one of the organizers of the concert I know that there were no songs mentioning Jesus' birth. The word 'Christmas' was probably sung, but that was the extent of the 'religious' lyric. Instead, the children sang about eating a lot of yummy food; and going shopping (which someone complained that girls singing that was too stereotypical); catching a cold in the winter time - to the tune of a Bach fugue (music for music's sake); bells ringing - based on a poem by Edgar Allen Poe (a literary connection); another song about bells; a Hanukah piece (if you're not Jewish, you learned about another culture); a song about wishing on a star for peace; and another song about when you share peace and love, it's like passing a flame from one candle to another. This particular piece was also sung at the Dr. Martin Luther King celebration that was held at the Town Hall this year. By the way, about 90 of the 200 students in the chorus attended this event on their day off from school! I think these families received the message and intent of the concert - to educate AND entertain.
George Marino
12:28 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
New traditions are wonderful...but not at the expense of other ones that majorities of people embrace and enjoy. Sadly, I think hiding behind the veil is extremely embarrassing to the policymakers of Mansfield.
Tina Silverio
2:14 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I dunno. I'm not black, and I'm not male, so maybe it's not right of me to recognize MLK at all. Can we have a Lucille Ball Day, plz? That's someone who's a lot more like me than these Jesus or MLK fellows.
JJax
2:18 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Not AS valid of an argument...but this is from my own personal experience. Having performed in concerts for over 30 years I can honestly say I have never felt I was "celebrating a religion" while singing a song. Though I did feel I was celebrating while singing. I have also never performed in a "holiday" concert that was exclusive to one religion. Since schools have moved even further from a Christianity focused celebration in the years since I performed in a school concert, and, using my concert experience as a baseline for where schools were "back in the day", I can't imagine educators today are LESS inclusive then they were 30 years ago.
I have also performed several Latin masses over the years, both during and outside the holiday season...still didn't feel the "religion" in it and, even if I had...Vivaldi or Mozart's music should not be shelved simply because, at the time it was written, God was who/what one wrote about. Religion was also the subject of most commissioned based work of the time. They shouldn't be thrown away simply because it is about God or worship or religion. That would be ignorant.
What has now been accomplished by canceling the concert? I'm being serious. What is the gain for the kids? What has been gain by those who complained? What has been gained by those who now find themselves with no vote in the matter? What has been lost?
Tina Silverio
5:01 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
what the kids are being taught, in reply to your question, is that people can often bleat and purr niceties to one another to be PC in public, but the teeth and claws come off in the privacy of the home. the kids are taught that all the waves and waves of PC and love-your-brother lessons we all get forced onto us every day and everywhere, are worthless and we don't really mean it. and kids learn that yes, as Joey below brings up, that yes, regardless of what PC baloney is taught, bullying is alive and well and won't be going anywhere, because it's just the way things are done. one more lesson kids would learn is that in the face of losing parental support (ie tax $$$), people will give in. where else have we seen that? we see examples of what amounts to legal kickbacks and extortion every day, and kids see it as the way things are acceptably done.
Joey Tryon
2:57 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
1) I am disgusted by the bullying! We, whether we like it or not, have the right to free speech and, if we are to create a better world for our children, that means respecting one another's beliefs without demeaning them!
2). Studies show that children who do not engage in rich discussions regarding race, ethnicity, religion and alternate lifestyles with their families grow up thinking we are "hiding" things and become less tolerant adults. Mind you, I believe tolerance is a low benchmark and we should strive to live "with" one another vs. merely "alongside" them.
3) Raised Methodist, I attended a catholic private college where religion was a requirement to graduate! Part of the joy of education (and the success) is being able to tailor your education to your interests and I opted for a course in Buddhism! Don't force your children to live your life! You both will lose!
4) Lastly, as the mother of three young boys in this school system, I was proud to have my son point out a dradle to me yesterday. It was at that moment that I had hope that we were raising a bunch of kids that embraced what so many other races, cultures and religions have to offer which is clearly something we have not been able to pull off to date! Don't stifle that by making kids feel they need to make choices! Embrace their love of learning and appreciate what happens next! Fear should never motivate our children, knowledge should.
GregoryRobertSamuels
3:21 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Was it a Christmas play or a Christian play?
Terry
3:36 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I figured most school districts in this country would've figured out by now to make holiday festivities diverse enough in content to please their constituents. You can blame parents all you want, but if you want to avoid a backlash from either side of the debate, you have to be prepared for this sort of thing.
Still, it is too bad to have the proceedings delayed altogether, and rather surprising, too. I grew up in a very liberal Jewish community, and the high school holiday concert still proudly concludes with the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah.
Of course, the Messiah is high art. I don't know if the Mansfield Elementary holiday play is wont to the same level of scrutiny.
Joey Tryon
5:44 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I agree with Tina, bullying is alive because we model it for our kids everyday! Show your kids how to embrace diversity! That is not by cutting out the celebrations that exist but by adding to them! I am more than happy to help any disgruntled party develop another celebration for their personal/religous/racial interests just like I support the march of dimes and the red cross! Don't cut! Add!!!! Children will benefit and, it's not about us, it's about them!!!
BH
5:52 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Well put Joey
Ken Pittman
6:23 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I think what the Christians and other Christmas celebrating citizens can do is stop donating to the school projects, stop patronizing businesses who feel this way and vote out School Committee members who won't stand up for a long standing American tradition which has tremendous meaning of importance to the majority there.
BH
8:45 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
That's the spirit, the heck with the other 30%, lets just do away with them. Very diverse and reasonable idea.
ME
8:54 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Okay, I have read through all these comments and just want to scream! First, Jj has never had a Christmas play! It is a winter choral concert and it has always had a very diverse repertoire. Second, I know for a fact as a parent a note went home in September telling all the parents who's children would be joining chorus that the concert would be held in January! So never did a Christmas " play" get canceled this year it was always going to be a winter choral concert.
Next, chorus has always had 2 concerts and the Jj has a 5th grade musical as well. None of this has been canceled. Maybe the month has changed but isn't the point that the kids are learning about music and get to experience performing? Why should the topic matter? We all have tons of opportunities to find, share, and create traditions for our families. Music for the sake of music. We are so lucky to have such a wonderful program here in Mansfield. How is this not itself what is best for the children and our community?
Tina Silverio
10:06 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
True I can't remember ever a 'play', but the music, sure. The Patch has an article about the thing never being 'cancelled', and that moving the date has to do with having more time to prepare. I'm not sure I believe that, and think it has more to do with separating any notion of religion from the school concert. If that's the case, i don't necessarily have a problem with it- but please just call it what it is.
Lisa
10:16 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Instead of complaining, why not contribute? If you feel your religion or traditions are not represented, suggest a solution instead of complaining and deepening the rifts and the intolerance. Try collaborating with the concert organizers, who are working hard to provide a fun way to encourage children to take pride in their extracurricular musical talents, and make sure your culture and traditions are included. Don't just complain. Complaining is easy. I challenge these six complainers to do something constructive to encourage tolerance.
Mama
10:54 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
So if the performance was always supposed to be in January, what about the comments from the school committee member? There obviously were complaints. Personally if I didn't want my child to hear/sing about a particular topic I would just remove them. I don't think a traditional concert should be rearranged for the sake of a handful. What's going to happen when these students get to the high school? Will that program have to be cancelled or "rescheduled' too? It's just wrong.
BH
11:04 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
You should never have to remove a child from a public school based on a religious or ideological celebration. It either needs to be expanded to represent anyone who wants their traditions included or eliminated.
Mama
6:08 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
So add different songs. What if that isn't good enough though? Was the complaint that the program didn't include songs from the complainers religion or that they did include songs from a religion other than their own? If it was the latter..program shouldn't have been changed IMO.
ME
6:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Maybe the school committee is misinformed? I mean they are talking about a play in the artical above and it's a concert. As I said above, I know for a fact the concert was always set for January this year. Maybe the complaints have been coming for years and the school listened to the concerns and decided to try something new. Would all of the people above be happier if the concert was in December with no holiday related songs? I know many teachers fromother districts and that is how they do it! A winter concert, because the cultural make up of all our cities and towns are changing.
Why do the kids singing in January change the point that they prepared for a beautiful concert?
Mama
7:52 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
That isn't the point as far as I'm concerned. My point is that if the concert was changed from last year due to the complaints of a few people who don't tolerate the songs of another culture that is just wrong.
Non Complainer
8:03 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
It's very simple. These "complainers" need to do something positive with their time and energy. Get a job, volunteer at the food pantry or go the the gym. They have too much time on their hands and need to whine about something to fill a void in their lives. Do something constructive instead of picking on 10 year old kids.
Helen T.
12:50 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Maybe these complainers should just home-school...then they won't have to worry about their children learning anything other than what they want them to know...(and no, I am NOT putting down home-school)
Whiners go home
3:09 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
i agree with you. where i grew up-they were called "busy bodies". (my Dad had another word for them i won't use here...) but they should busy their bodies with something other than the "analyze everything to death" approach. That negative behavior only repels people. so what if the concert has Christian & the music of other faith traditions & secular music too? who could be so upset about that? it will be educational & won't have an adverse affect on anyone but the six complainers, You can't have everything you want in life- like spoiled brats often will find when they are not being spoiled- so if you can't let yourself enjoy a diverse program- why don't you go whine & dine together as a half dozen group of pouting big babies- while the rest of the town goes out to have a Merry good old time without you. You are leaving yourselves out.
ME
9:00 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Non complainer, you have said the only thing needed to be said! Agree 100%. Not sure they are I king on the kids but the school in general.
George Marino
12:32 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
This is getting beyond absurd. I do not believe I am an intolerant person, by any means, but I find it very hard to believe that an annual celebration like this would "offend" individuals to the point where the views of the extreme minority would affect the happiness and seasonal good spirit of the overwhelming majority. I highly doubt they were re-enacting Christ's crucifixion, or something else as equally controversial. People should re-evaluate their points of contention; if there is sentiment that a January MLK concert is appropriate (and why not - seems like a good idea), perhaps the complainers should step forward to volunteer and produce the additional show for all of us to enjoy too - but I see no need to cancel the prior efforts and replace it with an alternative without due cause. And if volunteering their time is not practical, lobbying the disctrict/legislature to set aside funds/efforts would be a much better spend of their time and effort, as opposed to their complaints demanding cancellation of the previous, good-natured tradition.
Joey Tryon
1:16 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I am only now realizing why, apart from the fact that I have a full time job, I have not posted my opinions on line previously! This no longer seems to be about the "concert" or the children! This is about a handful of people trying to ruin it for those that are trying to do something nice and about another handful of people who don't know how to play in the sandbox with others! I am appalled that spelling is being critiqued, people have had their intelligence questioned and words like idiot have been bandied around. Shame on those of you that have sullied the topic for your own personal interests and good luck!
Tina Silverio
1:43 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
you're right, we are extending the issue to politics regarding political-correctedness and the like, but it's kindof hard not to. But i completely agree that sniping at other around here doesn't do a darned thing to work anything out and is petty. We have work to do if we want to fix this, and nothing of the issue will have a snowball chance in hell of being addressed if we're all going at one another instead.
brisox
2:06 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
After sending 2 kids through this school, it is clear to me that JJ really stands for "Just a Joke".
Julie Novio
2:55 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I am extremely disappointed that the voices of 6 people are overruling an entire community, if that is, in fact, what happened. I personally don't believe that the "squeaky wheel should get the grease". We pay the salaries of professional, dedicated, and knowledgeable educators to run our schools. For years they believed that this concert was beneficial to the student. The reason seem numerous to me. The fact that they coward to 6 complaints and forgot about all the benefits that were awarded to our students from this concert is what truly disappoints me. I don't blame the 6 complainers at all. They have every right to complain about whatever they feel strongly about. I trust our administrators to put the best interests of our students in the forefront and I don't believe that is what happened in this case. Completely disappointing.
joe
5:45 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I live in Mansfield and think this is complete bull crap!!!!! A few complain and everyone must change their tradition. Here is an idea, if you are offended, dont attend... and go back to your dark cave and pine quietly. This is a much larger than canceling a holiday concert for 4th and 5th graders... its a problem with society... for a culturally diverse country, which is a foundational cornerstone, we are now leading people to believe in NOTHING. Its a shame and the administration who were involved in the decision should be ashamed and should be publicly held accountable to give their point of view... before we tar and feather them. We are a weak society.
I'm boycotting anything to do with MLK anything. Not because I don't appreciate the significance of MLK, rather to not be steered by 6 individuals. If these 6 had any respect for the rest of the population of a diverse society, they should stand up in a public forum and voice their opinions. Rather they are covered under a shroud ofr privacy and can change the tradition. And the administration complies so to not offend. What about the other 500 families that didn't have a problem with the tradition?
HJ
6:47 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
This is bogus. I'm calling the school to complain about MLK day. I hate MLK , just like these whack job athiests hate Christmas. Yet the nuts who make the decisions will cower to the liberal ideology.
ME
8:36 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
What the hell is wrong with you people? The concert was NOT canceled!!!! It was never going to be held in December. The kids and their families have known since September that the concert would be held in January. It also has nothing to do with MLK. My child is in chorus! I have seen the music. I am thrilled they will participate in a concert. Who cares when? The school is not here to foster my traditions. That is my job as a parent. You are all so bitter, you talk about tolerance and then bash people about mis spelling words etc. be joyful the Mansfield has a wonderful program and as a district are lucky to have a thriving arts program when so many other districts no longer have these programs at all. Get your facts straight before whining about it please!
BH
12:46 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Anyone who is upset or mad or telling "complainers" to go back to their "caves" really needs to open their eyes and show some respect, their opinions and views are just as important and valid as yours, that is the basis of this country, we have the freedom to disagree. Who is anyone to believe they are 100% in the right? these are all opinions, this is debate, its been going on for thousands of years.
Also for whoever said we pay the salaries of the teachers and asked if radio stations stop playing Christmas music, this is a public school, just because a parent pays into it does not mean their beliefs or a teachers are right. i pay into these schools and i have no kids, my money is worth just as much as yours.I have no idea why or when religion of any kind crept in. Theories and history of religion is one thing, but no religion should be celebrated in any public school. If you desperately want your kids in a holiday or religious play, send them to private school, start an acting club, this is not the role of a public school. And last I checked most radio stations are privately held, they can play whatever they want, there is no comparison.
John R.
9:21 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Last night's Christmas Concert at the Mansfield High School was excellent.
Mama
11:06 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I hope they are allowed to continue with the tradition of putting on this performance in the coming years. As a former member of the Concert Choir, this concert( and back then also involved a play) was the highlight of the Christmas season for me and countless others.
LL
3:27 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
So much bickering. "Much a do about Nothing" If you want to put on a play, then do it on your front lawn. If you go to a public school; you miss out on religion. If you want to live in the United States you need follow the law. Where is this complaining getting you? Free speech. Just be thankful you can talk like this, because someday you will be band from the Internet and will not be able to voice your thoughts without being accused of talking against the government. You all best get on with your lives and support your friends and family because you could loose it in a split second. I'm going to worship God while I still can.